View Full Version : EXCLUSIVE! The FIA's nine-point plan
AxeWound
10-10-2002, 16:52
This came from www.autosport.com for anyone who is into F1
Teams ready for full-scale battle over future rules
The nine-point plan is designed to spice up F1
Thursday's issue of AUTOSPORT magazine reveals details of the nine-point plan that motorsport's governing body, the FIA, has sent to the Formula 1 teams with the aim of transforming the sport's 'show' and slashing escalating costs to compete.
AUTOSPORT has obtained a copy of the controversial secret FIA document, which will be discussed at the next meeting of the F1 Commission at the end of this month.
The nine points are:
1 Driver swapping drivers race every car on the grid during the course of a season.
2 Aggregated qualifying four half-hour sessions on Fridays and Saturdays at grands prix.
3 Bespoke tyres rubber suppliers can produce different tyres for each of their teams
4 Success ballast a penalty of 1kg in ballast weight per point scored during 2003.
5 Testing restrictions - limit testing during the 2003 season to just 12 days per car.
6 Aerodynamic freeze from 2003 only two sets of bodywork can be homologated at the start of the season.
7 Long-life engines one engine per weekend in 2003, one engine per four races in 2004, and one engine per eight in 2005.
8 Long-life gearbox gearbox assemblies to have requiered life for a number of races.
9 Standardised parts all teams would have to use standardised electronics, ECUs, brakes and fixed ballast.
BlackLotus
10-10-2002, 16:53
waste of fuel.
This plan sounds good on paper but the weaker teams won't have a decent oportunity to improve performance over the season, so in total it wouldn't make much of a difference IMO.
Apparently viewing figures have plummeted over the last season - I've certainly lost interest since it became so predictable.
It would be nice to see someone other than Schumacher win for a change.
Originally posted by Herman
1 Driver swapping drivers race every car on the grid during the course of a season.
this i would love to see
but it's never gonna happen - the teams need to concentrate on their own cars - plus who pays the drivers' wages?
Kid Chameleon
10-10-2002, 17:17
Some of those ideas are fuked up
1 Driver swapping - drivers race every car on the grid during the course of a season.
WTF!!! What were they smoking when they came up with that? Totally unworkable. If they really want to make it even then copy Formula 3000 and make everyone have the same car
2 Aggregated qualifying four half-hour sessions on Fridays and Saturdays at grands prix.
Like that will make any difference, the best drivers with the best cars will still come out on top
4 Success ballast a penalty of 1kg in ballast weight per point scored during 2003.
The only good idea they have, works well in British Touring Cars.
I feel this idea on its own would solve the problem of teams dominating F1.
Originally posted by Kid Chameleon
Like that will make any difference, the best drivers with the best cars will still come out on top
don't think it's supposed to make a difference - they were just trying to solve the problem that cars only come out for the last half an hour of qualifying - i.e. bloody boring for spectators
Kid Chameleon
10-10-2002, 17:25
Originally posted by Camo Dog
don't think it's supposed to make a difference - they were just trying to solve the problem that cars only come out for the last half an hour of qualifying - i.e. bloody boring for spectators
If thats the case the same will happen, you'll get some sessions where nothing happens and others with lots. They should just have the one but reduce the time down to something like 40mins, that way teams have to get out early in order to complete their allocated number of laps
7 Long-life engines one engine per weekend in 2003, one engine per four races in 2004, and one engine per eight in 2005.
Heard this before but can't see it happening. I mean what happens if during qualifying an engine totally blows up and cannot be repaired.........that driver sits out the race :confused:
With 20 cars on the grid (down from 26 out of 32 entries in the early 80's) can they afford to have schumacher or Montoya sitting out the odd race here & there thru no fault of their own. Surely any victory by any other top driver would be a hollow one in this situation and viewers at home will like me be thinking, he proably wouldn't have won if so & so had been racing
I too have lost interest, even more so this season...
Schumacher, who is one of the greatest drivers already, can win when he wants, and can lose when he wants...
AxeWound
10-10-2002, 21:08
TBH I think there will probably only be two of these "rules" enforced and thats Bespoke Tires and Ballast.
Id prefer to see some standard parts or even a performance cap like in CART racing to even the field. Oh n Id luv to see em go back to slicks instead of those poxy grooved tires they use.
I have an idea...lets see if i can get down here in <100 words :rolleyes:
(I'll type it as I'd say it or i'll get too confussed)
You know the reason they decided to allow traction control becuase if was too tricky for FIA to check all the cars different ECU's to check for small bits of code that may control power output etc.
Well how about still allowing teams their own ECU's (only fair really at the cutting edge of motorsport), but insist that the telemetry sensors on things like wheel speeds, braking forces, lateral G, gearbox output speed and gear selected are MANDATORY FIA supplied sealed items, that feed the data directly to a FIA Black box.
This black box would then record the cars telematory but also pass thru the data the teams ECU for the team to do with whatever they normally do with it within the rules.
This process would mean that FIA would have data of the same type (eg how fast each wheel is turning etc..) from each car. Simple computer analysis of each sensors data would show if any team was using traction control or any almost any other form of electronic aid that FIA may wish to ban to bring back the skill to the drivers right foot.
Good Idea ?
btw We've all noticed how much closer Barichello is to Schumacher this year in outright speed. Personally I think the traction control is doing more for Barichellos right foot than it is for Schumachers. I hate this aid the most in F1 and to make things worse the cars now sound a bit shit coming out of corners on the gas <---- I was at Silverstone this year
I agree HKB - can't be that hard to police traction control - they just can't be arsed with all the accusations of cheating.
I know it would be taking a step backwards, but they should go back to steel brakes and manual gearboxes - then it'll keep the drivers interested - it allows for more overtaking e.g. if a driver misses a gear, and steel brakes will mean greater braking distances, also allowing for more overtaking.
They must sort out the aerodynamics as well - smaller front and rear wings so the cars cause less disruption of the airflow, allowing a car behind to follow them closely. At the moment, if a car tries to brake when closely behind another car, they lose downforce, so then they have to slow down more for the corner, then they lose their advantage of getting close to the car in front, and can't overtake them on the exit of the corner.
(I hope some of you will understand this :rolleyes: )
Originally posted by Camo Dog
They must sort out the aerodynamics as well - smaller front and rear wings so the cars cause less disruption of the airflow, allowing a car behind to follow them closely. At the moment, if a car tries to brake when closely behind another car, they lose downforce, so then they have to slow down more for the corner, then they lose their advantage of getting close to the car in front, and can't overtake them on the exit of the corner.
(I hope some of you will understand this :rolleyes: )
AKA Slipstreaming.
Pretty much all silly rules and in general all the silly rules help drive people away from F1. Who's silly idea was grooved tires? Many of the rules end up simply in discouraging overtaking. What few decent races there are are won with strategic use of the pits (this is when its not cut+dry from lap 6, often before).
They want to make a exciting sport yet keep trying to regulate everything, leaving the only room for innovation to be who can bend the rules the most. Fixed number of engines IS imo a good idea, since this does directly add to competition in a fair and true way - a way that actually makes sense for one of the puposes of the sport too (i.e. to show off car makers tech). I think it should be a fixed number for a season though, not for a weekend or X races or whatever.
I cant help laugh at the ballast idea, presumably this encourages drivers to get their points towards the end of the season; and deliberately throw races, lose position etc in order for better weight on future races. As if there isnt enough moaning about "fixed" wins and driver ranking as it is.
FIA are their own worst enemy. Stop fiddling with the sport purely with the idea of "making it better for spectator" and just make it better for the sport. Thats what people are there for anyway.
Originally posted by KuifJe
AKA Slipstreaming.
kinda, only you can't really slipstream around corners
what I meant was that F1 cars can't go round corners as fast when there is a car in front disrupting the airflow because it affects the downforce too much.
also, about the success balast - it really screws things up - I've seen it in touring cars - as DG said, you get drivers deliberately losing races because they know they will lose the next race.
Ballast is a non starter me hopes.
F1 is to a large degree about car makers competing to show the world they can make the best engine/chassis. The top teams are never going to support a move that would effectivly punish a team for making the best engine/chassis.
One thing that should definatly not considered is anything that standardises components.
I watched the f3 & f3000 races at the British GP this year...there's even less passing when all the teams have the same engine/chassis as with these formula's. At least in f1 if for example Schumacher makes a mistake/has a problem and drops back to 10th position we all know there's gonna be a bit of action as he claws his way back up towards the tops 3/4. That doesn't happen in f3/3000.....if your a top driver and you lose 10secs your up shit creak
AxeWound
12-10-2002, 01:22
CART seem to have it just right.. They have a limited boost available which when used well can see drivers from 10 get into the top 3.. Hmmm maybe thats just oval racing.. They ya go thats the answer have a couple of Oval races in the F1 season or reopen the old tracks like the 14 mile Nurburgring and make them all drive 1960's race cars for one race a season :D
How about making the tracks more dangerous again....that would sort out the pussies from the real drivers.
The way the tracks & cars are built these days, I'd feel safer having an accident in an f1 car at 160mph, then an equivelant accident in a road car at 30mph that's just not right considering they're always harping on about the dangers they face!
I know the above wouldn't be done, but they need to look how the worlds best corners are layed out and build modifications to existing poor overtaking tracks. How about chicanes with two ways round both equal distance....that way both cars could have a left & a right fastest line and the quickest thru it either the left way or right way would get the pass ?
AxeWound
12-10-2002, 02:53
Originally posted by HariKariBarry
How about chicanes with two ways round both equal distance....that way both cars could have a left & a right fastest line and the quickest thru it either the left way or right way would get the pass ?
Scalextric springs to mind.. :D How about some boulders on the edge of the chicane just for good measure.. Or Jumps ..
Ill get me coat..
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