England vs Macedonia [Archive]

`mongoose

16-10-2002, 23:18

Hmm

Yup I would imagine when they look at the name on the eventual european championship trophy it will say Winners 2004 (but they could only draw to some dodgy team at home in the qualifiers ffs)

no they won't will they?

I can't see the problem - we didnt play well - Turkey did oops - theres a load of games to play yet.

Its a shame that seaman cost us the game considering he has saved us after how many dodgy defensive ricketts in the past?

Don't get too chuffed over there Olav- Don't make me dredge up the fantastic qualifying form shown by the netherlands in recent years :p

Had to feel for Ireland tonight - how many incorrect offside decisions? I have run the line and I know its a tough job - but when ur at the pinnacle like that a bad game like that linesman tonight can be disastorous for the team it affects

Cheers

M.

TheXatom

16-10-2002, 23:19

I will a be a not so happy, like a saddened mario it is how you say dissapointment, yes.

We love you Sven ! :love:

olavski

17-10-2002, 00:00

Originally posted by mongoose

Don't get too chuffed over there Olav- Don't make me dredge up the fantastic qualifying form shown by the netherlands in recent years :p

That's all history now (it's pathetic we didn't qualify with such good players), i'm looking forward now but i won't forget EC '88 ;)

GG England (good goalkeeper, allways been :p ), cheers to Wales (feckin Italians with their anti-football but 'how do i look in the mirror can i get a girl' players) , Ostereich schade jawohl.

:D

btw, it still is st00pid England has a foreign trainer

Inst1ncT

17-10-2002, 00:04

my dead grandma could lob seaman, and did :)

Kid Chameleon

17-10-2002, 01:08

Originally posted by olavski
but i won't forget EC '88 ;)

Do you remember Euro 96 by any chance? :p Just in case here's a quick reminder

ENGLAND 4 - 1 HOLLAND :thumbs:

AxeWound

17-10-2002, 01:13

Well that means each Macedonian player (currently on around £30 a week) will get a big fat £5K bonus.. See money talks .. :D

TheXatom

17-10-2002, 01:26

There is a fly of your cats nose herman, I thought you should know :)

DaveGOD

17-10-2002, 03:06

piss-poor imo :mad:

Dunno, still hard to blame Seaman, been a solid & reliable 'keeper for such a long time, and tbh only been a couple of mistakes - I count Campbell making a fair few more in a fair few games? Anyway, hardly feel optimistic when looking at a possible replacement :/

olavski

17-10-2002, 10:15

Originally posted by Kid Chameleon

Do you remember Euro 96 by any chance? :p

Yeah, Germany became Europameister in England ;)

with Dieter Eilts as best player of the tourney .... omg ... an avarage German defender

Ontopic: Germany beat Faroer 2-1 :mad: and Luxembourg - Romania 0-7 :eek:

England has still a load of matches to play but Turkey has a very good team, gonna be hard for England to qualify as 1st, 2nd team has another chance by a playoff match against another runner up.

I hope they qualify anyway, i like to see the best teams on EC'2004.

SnAcKeR

17-10-2002, 10:38

the english football team is an overrated pile of moose dung. it's embarrassing when fans start referring to when we won the world cup in '66. so feckin what? it means feck all, we were good then, we're shit now - accept it.

D-lirium

17-10-2002, 11:35

Originally posted by Kid Chameleon

Do you remember Euro 96 by any chance? :p Just in case here's a quick reminder

ENGLAND 4 - 1 HOLLAND :thumbs:

So? That's 6 years ago..what's ur point? =/

SnAcKeR

17-10-2002, 11:41

exactly. it's embarrassing to be english when peeps start bringing up wins from years and years ago, it's what the team is like now that matters. mediocre.

olavski

17-10-2002, 11:59

Stop it pls, i mentioned Euro '88, he mentioned Euro '96, fair enough. :p

I think England has some quality players but i think another goalkeeper deserves a chance.

CoDa

17-10-2002, 12:11

Although Scotland did well in their last game, I feel I can't comment about this, as my national team only managed a draw with the Faroe Islands, last time out. I believe their keeper is the local bus driver or some such thing. So-called professional footballers drawing with a team of part timers, will not go down in the annals of great football games, for me at least.

olavski

17-10-2002, 12:21

Well, ask the Germans how difficult it is to play against parttime players, they were very lucky with their win over Faroer 2-1.

Historical for Wales (and Italy :cool: )

Group 9 Pld Pts

Wales 2 6
Yugoslavia 2 4
Italy 3 4
Finland 3 3
Azerbaijan 2 0

MegloMania

17-10-2002, 13:07

I feel well sorry for Seaman, he's done us proud for a long time and after a couple of mistakes the press are calling for his blood. It's shame how short people's memories are, and you don't hear any of em blaming Scholes for DUCKING under the ball after seaman was beaten.

Lots of games to go, and it just wouldn't be very English if we qualified easily anyway :)

Fragfest

17-10-2002, 13:40

Seaman is just getting old.

:(

Who will replace him?

Anyone ever notice the comentators only go on about how wonderful and great Beckham is at absolutely everything, and if there is ever a good play, he is always mentioned? Why don't they just take down his shorts and suck him off and get it over with?
:flame:

England play like a bunch of dead penguins!

BlackLotus

17-10-2002, 13:46

Originally posted by CoDa
i want someone to go down in my annals of great size, cause it's the best for me at least.

:/

CoDa

17-10-2002, 14:48

Originally posted by BlackLotus

:/
Back to the clever retorts, I see. Who's a clever boy then?

SnAcKeR

17-10-2002, 14:57

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Kid Chameleon

17-10-2002, 16:10

Originally posted by Snacker
exactly. it's embarrassing to be english when peeps start bringing up wins from years and years ago, it's what the team is like now that matters. mediocre.

In what context do u think i wrote that? Was i saying England have the best football team in the world because we won a match 6 years ago? NO i was merely j/king with olavski about one past match so STFU

SnAcKeR

17-10-2002, 16:14

lol soz m8 but I wasn't talking about you, i was addressing the issue of england fans in general referring to past wins as if they are still relevant to today's England team.

It wasn't directed at you personally :)

olavski

17-10-2002, 16:17

Originally posted by olavski
Stop it pls, i mentioned Euro '88, he mentioned Euro '96, fair enough. :p

Now go back ontopic ;)

Kid Chameleon

17-10-2002, 16:18

ah ok :)

DaveGOD

17-10-2002, 18:45

Layer

17-10-2002, 19:00

Originally posted by Fragfest

Anyone ever notice the comentators only go on about how wonderful and great Beckham is at absolutely everything, and if there is ever a good play, he is always mentioned?

hehe, I didn't see englands match yesterday, nor have I had the pleasure of listening to english commentators, but your problem is familiar to me.

Being danish, I constantly here our commentators praise Dennis rommedahl so much that I acctually switch over to german TV when we play the germans. The only thing that man is capaple of, is running fast. 19 out of 20 passes he attempts fails. So be glad you got Beckham. At least he knows how to hit the ball.

dragon

17-10-2002, 19:57

ITALY 1 - 2 WALES = ITALY ARE CRAP
ENGLAND 2 - 2 MACIDONIA = ENGLAND ARE CRAP
TURKY 5 - SLOVAKIA 0 = ENGLAND ARE EVEN WORSE

`mongoose

17-10-2002, 23:00

Layer - I like Rommedahl, alot of what he does doesn't work - but he sees it and has the balls to try it. I would rather see someone working hard and trying but failing that see a talented player underperforming out of laziness.

Turkey look good beating slovakia in Turkey - we didnt see them playing on a heavy boggy pitch did we? Wales look great beating a lack lustre Italian side at home. Yeah Wales and Turkey for the final then? Who wants to bet me that either of those sides will make the finals? Don't get me wrong - I think the Turkish side is dangerous and very skilled, I just don't see them beating a Portuguese, Italian, German or French side in the finals.

England looked poor and struggled to beat a fired up and hard working (if defensively weak) slovakian side. Courtesy of a rare Seaman error and some comedy (TM) marking. Campbell misses Ferdinand alongside him and it shows. Woodgate isnt an England quality defender for me, neither is Neville but then I am not a qualified, highly respected and proven coach. Ericsson is, forgive me for saying this, but until someone else who has won the Serie A title asks to manage England, I will be happy for him to stay and make the decisions.

My final point is that this group will be decided in the main by two fixtures : England vs Turkey home and away. If we can't beat Turkey at home then what chance do we have in Portugal? Slim at best. Having said that we lost to Germany at home in the wc qualifiers - We hadn't beaten Germany in a competitive game since 1966 I think before Munich. (Not wishing to rub anyones nose in it, just pointing out that we have underperformed in the past and gone on to pull the fat out of the fire in unlikely circumstances in the past)

Cheers

M.

Kid Chameleon

18-10-2002, 02:23

Originally posted by mongoose
Don't get me wrong - I think the Turkish side is dangerous and very skilled, I just don't see them beating a Portuguese, Italian, German or French side in the finals.

IMO i think the EC is very open this time round. None of the top european teams have done particulary well in the last few years, so maybe this competition could spring a suprise with a lesser team (Turkey, Sweden etc) winning it.

MegloMania

18-10-2002, 13:56

England's biggest problem is not the left wing, a replacement for Seaman or the quality of the players that we have, it is the attitute of the Premiership managers to our International team.

Our team never gets any quality time to practice together and build up some real team spirit and raport between the players. Recently Sven had to almost plead with the managers for them to release their star players for just 2 days of training together before our next qualification match, and that's during the week he's suppose to have allotted to him for International training. 2 DAYS OF PRACTICE, FFS, and Sven was worried that he might not even get a chance to train with some of them until the day before our next match. You could have a team full of superstars but if they never get anytime to learn each others styles then what do you expect to happen, everyone trying hard and playing creatively but nothing working because they haven't learn to read each others runs, marking positions etc, ala England.

You've just gotta look at South Korea, they spent 6 months training together before the world cup, and it showed. Individually not great players, but they played together as a team and were well coordinated in attack and defence and did bloody well because of it.

Only when supporters put their international team before their national one will things ever change, and put that pressure onto the managers to give England a decent chance at winning something. We still might prevail in EC2004, but I'll be against the odds.

I think that Holland has a very simular problem to us in this respect, a very talented side but they don't really seem to gell together on the pitch. It's becoming more and more a trend in the big football playing nations, and if things arn't changed then I could well see the "outsider" nations winning more and more.

TheXatom

18-10-2002, 15:44

I was booing at Seaman, if I saw him in the street I would shout...

'Oi Seaman you are shit' and he can't run very well so I could escape easyly.

He needs to go. All the tabloids are slagging him :(

olavski

18-10-2002, 15:54

Originally posted by MegloMania
I think that Holland has a very simular problem to us in this respect, a very talented side but they don't really seem to gell together on the pitch. It's becoming more and more a trend in the big football playing nations, and if things arn't changed then I could well see the "outsider" nations winning more and more.

You're absolutely right there m8.

Last few years they do get along but it's the arrogance that kills us everytime. Since we don't have a strong hand that leads them it's useless, we will qualify but fail on Euro 2004 again ....

Look at last match vs. Austria, Holland owned them, brilliant football but after the 0 - 3 they just sat down, played cards en dreamed about naked girls or whatever. We should've slaughtered them ffs.

Layer

18-10-2002, 16:11

Originally posted by mongoose
Layer - I like Rommedahl, alot of what he does doesn't work - but he sees it and has the balls to try it. I would rather see someone working hard and trying but failing that see a talented player underperforming out of laziness.

M.

tjaa, rommedahl isn't bad, he's just not national-team-good imo. esp. not when we got a Løwenstein and Grønkjaer on the bench. Løwenstein takes martin jorgensens place on the left side, jorgensen take the right side. if he's injured, get groenkjaer on the field. = no rommedahl = more passes to Ebbe sand and john Dahl tomasson = more goals :D

life is simple:rolleyes: :p

dragon

18-10-2002, 19:31

i would love to see any of you try to sve that corner, you could not do a better job so slag off someone else as if it were not for seaman you would be nobodys like you still are. macadoinis=a are shit and so a re slovakia and you could hardly beat them and at home.

TheXatom

18-10-2002, 19:50

Originally posted by dragon
i would love to see any of you try to sve that corner, you could not do a better job so slag off someone else as if it were not for seaman you would be nobodys like you still are. macadoinis=a are shit and so a re slovakia and you could hardly beat them and at home.

People can still be critical of any work regardless of whether they do it or not. But comparsion to other gollys of his class Seaman was stupid to not catch that.

Kid Chameleon

18-10-2002, 20:31

Originally posted by dragon
i would love to see any of you try to sve that corner, you could not do a better job so slag off someone else as if it were not for seaman you would be nobodys like you still are.

Does that relate to ppl who work in other industries like nuclear power stations? Ow he made a mistake and took out half the country but its ok cos u couldn't have done any better.

Seeing as fans pay his pay his wages i'd say we have every right to criticise him

SEAMAN IS SHITE

Steveo

18-10-2002, 20:40

We played some great football... just a shame that none of the good play was defensive or offensive..... oh well... another 4months without a game. You have to hand it to Macedonia tho... they are prob on cloud 9 :o

Delta

19-10-2002, 06:01

Excuses aside, England are consistently shit - its only the odd occasion that they perform above their calling.

I was cheering England on for the Brazil game, but after they started playing horsepiss, i couldnt have been a happier man than to see a lackluster team get put out by the best team in the world - and it wasn't cos Brazil are the best that they won, it was cos ur boys gave up the ghost and couldnt be fucked making the play. Blame that game on a soggy pitch why dont ya.

All throught the WC, England were temporamental - they only beat Argentina cos they had a depleted squad, and they too weren't used to playing with each other.

I dunno why the cries are out for getting national squads to play together more often - theres no money in it. Why be a club manager and forfeit your star players just so that they can win games for their country, tire themsleves out, risk an injury, and ultimately lose money for the club when u stand to gain nothing from it?? Club football is where the money lies, international football is nothing more than pride.

After the Macedonia game (and the France defeat ;)), it goes to show that no national team can be underestimated these days. After all, the Pharoe Islands held their own against Scotland at their home ground (Scotland having a brand new squad btw), yet Germany scraped a 2-1 against them in germany. And before the "5-1" shouts come a-ringing - remember it was a freak result and also that Scotland beat them 3-2 in a friendly a couple of yers before.

Club football = money + entertainment

International football = pride + recognition

Nothing more.

Club > International

dragon

19-10-2002, 12:38

now all the blame goes on seaman right, well if you do have the game on tape watch it and see what scholes does, he could of stoped it if he were not such a pussy. also Seaman has made the team what it is today with out him England would be worse (if that is possible.)

DaveGOD

19-10-2002, 17:02

dunno, get a lot of £ from increased player value, and indirectly more spectators and TV rights. True though, managers dont want players being risked too much, and fair enough (but tough shit, imo ;) ).

I also think England play very lazy quite often, tbh main reason i like Beckham is he always gives 110%, else only remotely reliable squad regulars seem to be butt, gerad and (lately) neville. Unlike that lazy toad campbell who seems to get every game, and make several mistakes borne purely out of laziness in every single one of them.

Matthias

19-10-2002, 18:55

Belgium will be the biggest suprise for you all!

MegloMania

20-10-2002, 15:29

Originally posted by Delta
Club football = money + entertainment

International football = pride + recognition

Nothing more.

Club > International Of cource Club football is where the vast majority of the money is, but in the long run which is going to be more remembered, England winning the World Cup or Man U winning the European Championship, which one would the average England football supporter prefer to happen?

Gotta agree with DaveGod on the laziness front, without Beckham you probably wouldn't notice it but he makes the rest of the team look like there standing around twiddling their dicks with his 110% effort. I really like Beckham for that very reason aswell, he goes out and give's it his all, which is the most that you can ask of any player.