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    Yes they can.

    I've entered regional control with one of my other nations while it was off in a seperate region.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shazbotdom View Post
    Yes they can.

    I've entered regional control with one of my other nations while it was off in a seperate region.
    Ditto. The founder is pretty much a god in his region. Except not quite as omniscient or see-through.
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    damn ive been wasting my time

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    It seems, however, that a founder can't block the delegate's access to regional control while they're outside the region.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St Edmund View Post
    It seems, however, that a founder can't block the delegate's access to regional control while they're outside the region.
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    I see that some expertise and effort has been applied to find a ranking of the labels. But we still don't know a lot of things:

    - Some boundaries for what influence share will result in what label. Safalra said it was possible to derive that, but his page doesn't have that yet.
    - An estimate of what it costs to banject, eject and password. We know it's "about half" for banjection, but perhaps we can get a more precise number such as "45%" or "60%" of the target's influence.

    And for the holy grail:

    - A formula for the actual growth of influence, as influenced by the input factors (which appear to be residence time, endorsements received, and possibly the influence you already have). My pet hypothesis (which is about as well-founded as a tower of turtles): Influence growth at daily update = A + B * endos if inside the region, or -C if outside, where A, B and C are constants. It's just a wild guess, of course.

    Did anyone ever launch a coordinated project for investigating this? If not, is anyone interested in doing so? The mods don't appear to discourage it. They also won't confirm it - but Newton didn't get a divine "Yes, that's how it works" for his theory of gravity, and he coped.

    Anyone with some background in statistics or at least mathematics and a bit of natural curiosity? We could experiment a bit with shuffling some nations around in small regions!
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    I am a Superpower, but only a delegate with 2 endorsements in a region with 12 nations.

    Hmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Pang Team View Post
    I am a Superpower, but only a delegate with 2 endorsements in a region with 12 nations.

    Hmm
    Superpowers are founders, I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jocabia View Post
    Superpowers are founders, I believe.
    Not always, I'm a founder and I'm only a Power.
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    I = - (0.875E)+10 x S ) + 22

    Influence I
    Regional Seniority S (Days your nation have been in the region / Age of region in days)
    Endorsements E (Number of Endorsements)

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    Doesn't work at all for small regions (1 or two) or large ones. So this isn't it.
    It works very well however for my specific region of 20.
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    1. Hermit
    2. Hegemony
    3. Dominator
    4. Superpower
    5. Power
    6. Powerbroker
    7. Eminence Grise
    8. Enforcer
    9. Dealmaker
    10. Instigator
    11. Contender
    12. Negotiator
    13. Auxiliary
    14. Ambassador
    15. Diplomat
    16. Envoy
    17. Duckspeaker
    18. Handshaker
    19. Truckler
    20. Vassal
    21. Minnow

    The numbers correspond to each influence number

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    My hypothesis is that the 10 value is (Region Population / Number of current votes for the Delegate)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flibbleites View Post
    Not always, I'm a founder and I'm only a Power.
    Influence does not work that way. You will see that the founders of the largest regions in the game are "Minnow's" This is because they tend not to be in the WA.

    The fewer nations you have in a region the more influence there is to spread around. It is there that you will see a region of 8 nations who aren't in the WA and are all "Eminence Grise's." However in the larger regions (100+ nations) it is basically impossible to have a non-WA nation higher than a minnow no matter how long they have been in the region.

    Since founders do not need influence to use any of the regional controls their influence level doesn't really matter.

    A delegate of a region of 3 nations who has two endorsements will likely be a super-power or higher. Because the influence is so concentrated on that one person. However you will notice that the delegate in a feeder region for only a month or two (look at The East pacific) can still be a minnow even though they have 200+ endorsements. This is because there are thousands of endorsements scattered all through the region which "suck" influence away from the delegate.

    Imagine 100 points being given out each update. The delegate may have only 40% of the endorsements in the region... so he/she gets 60 "points"... the other 60% is divided up between the hundreds of nations who have a good number of endorsements. A delegate is just the person who is currently gaining influence the fastest in the region.

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    Sorry that was a bit long and (likely) very confusing. If you have any specific questions feel free to ask...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shazbotdom View Post
    Yes they can.

    I've entered regional control with one of my other nations while it was off in a seperate region.
    yes, there is a link that you can see the regional controls of ANY region in the game. You just can't actually do anything with it. But it is handy for looking at ban lists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neasmyrna View Post
    You just can't actually do anything with it.
    Founders and active Delegates (with permissions) can. That's why it's impossible to ban-ject an active Founder. He can access Regional Controls from outside the region and unban himself. Fact.

    Anyway, back on topic.

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    The link on the OP leads you to a dead page. (It gives you a re-direct, but wouldn't it be simpler to just re-do the link?) It's not really that bothersome, I just wanted to point it out to the mods if they felt like fixing it.

    That one.


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    Ok, I got a Q. How do I increase my regional influence?
    Oh, and while I'm asking things...
    How do I change my flag to an uploaded image?
    Thank to whoever is going to answer this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily Rueger View Post
    Ok, I got a Q. How do I increase my regional influence?
    To my knowledge, the only method that works is time.
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    Oh, and while I'm asking things...
    How do I change my flag to an uploaded image?
    In your nations "settings" page there is a link which reads "create your own flag", click it.
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    Thank to whoever is going to answer this.
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