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    Passed: Repeal "Coordinating Relief Aid" [Official Topic]


    Gosh, I have a commitment to be unbiased to the best as I can, but it looks like my old friends don't think it is worth repealing it. The reason is acceptable, that the replacement could be just as worse as that lame-duck Veterans Reform Act if it was not planned. IMHO I would say go against, but I respect the opinions of Pantherai but there is a better way than jumping the gun. Plus, it saved lives.

    On balance, I think it should be voted against.


    Category: Repeal

    Resolution: #5

    Proposed by: Pantherai

    Description: WA Resolution #5: Coordinating Relief Aid (Category: Social Justice; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

    Argument: ACKNOWLEDGING that, in principle, such a resolution is an admirable effort to better provide relief aid to areas that need it,

    APPLAUDING all non-governmental organizations (NGOs) that focus on providing such humanitarian aid,

    NOTING that, although providing relief aid should be a fundamental part of The World Assembly, the coordinating of NGOs is not an effective way to go about it. This is because, naturally, many NGOs would prefer not to affiliate themselves with an organisation such as The World Assembly and shall continue to work independently thus making coordination of relief aid a fruitless task.

    SEEKING an opportunity to establish a resolution which would put World Assembly resources to a more effective system of providing humanitarian aid,

    AND HOPING that a resolution will, in the future, be put forward to create a World Assembly body that will, while working closely with NGOs in an informal capacity, shall provide its own structure of providing relief aid.

    The World Assembly hereby repeals the 'Coordinating Relief Aid' Resolution.

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    For those who say no, please tell your fellow delegates and members those who said yes to change their mind. This is a message you could use:

    Esteemed (Delegate or WA Member):

    Please change reconsider your position in the attempt to repeal Coordinating Relief Aid. This resolution has allowed many lives to be saved because it has provided NGOs with accurate and vital data and reporting on conditions on the ground and where their assistance would best be allocated during any emergency.

    I understand about the recent tax hikes, but the massive depletion of funds is due to new welfare commitments to war criminals, the Veterans Reform Act, and not humanitarian aid.

    There is no conclusion in linking the style of the administration of relief aid to the style of administration of the Veterans Reform Act is.

    On balance, Coordinating Relief Aid is more than sufficient and possibly the best option possible when it comes to providing national and international relief aid. The Veterans Reform Act is a failure and we are working to rid this once and for all.

    Once again, We beg you to please vote against this repeal and focus your attention against the Veterans Reform Act instead. Thank you for your understanding.

    Yours sincerely,
    (Ambassador Name)
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    Considering the evolution of the World Assembly, I see a need to re-write this resolution to bring it into the future only if everyone wanted one. On balance, I then need to see what you think. I have to thank Mikitivity for defending this while it lasted. Let's use this thread to improve for a future version.

    So do write to me, tell us what you like to see in a new version of Coordinating Relief Aid. We are open to suggestions and criticism, and we like to come over to see how you react to humanitarian disasters.

    I have not made a formal position yet until you tell me what you like me to actually do.

    Finally, I'd like to thank Pantherai for his input. The nation's resolution is yes, at the top.
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    The argument of this repeal is utterly specious.
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    The basis of my support for this repeal is primarily the need to allow relief agencies to be independent of the World Assembly if they wish to be. I'm not ready to say whether or not I support a replacement; I'll have to see what gets proposed. I will say that I don't support the WA having a relief agency of its own. The expense would be tremendous, and I don't think it makes sense given the countless NGOs and government programs that already exist for the purpose of providing aid both within particular jurisdictions and abroad. I seriously doubt that the fixed costs of such a venture would be outweighed by its marginal benefits in light of the fact that it would in most cases either supplement or supplant existing organizations.

    I'm especially reluctant to approve such expensive projects when the WA is financed primarily through the provisions of the ambiguous, deceptive, and divergently interpreted WA General Fund, but my feelings about that resolution are well known and that's another matter.

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    Well, seeing as the WA now has to pay for several billion people's hleathcare amongst other things, we have to make cuts somewhere, such as coordinated relief...
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    indeed, the bill sent to each nation each year is rising, although i would like to see some kind of relief aid by the WA. Primarily i believe that NGOs should not be part of a WA body. Second, i think that a more efficient relief body would be one that gives relief and humanitarian aid to WA Members who need it and only when NGOs are not already assisting the area.

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    We are undecided as yet on this repeal. We are always loathe to ignore the opinion of the respected delegation of Quintessence of Dust, who's reason we hold in the highest regard.

    However we can see the sense of keeping NGOs as independent of governments as possible. On the other hand a W.A. emergency coordination council which would provide NGOs with accurate and vital data and reporting on conditions on the ground and where their assistance would best be allocated during any emergency is vital and exactly the kind of thing the w.a. should be able to do.

    The consideration that at we speak the general fund is being massively depleted by its new welfare commitments to war criminals is certainly a relevant factor, especially since were an emergency humanitarian crisis to occur now, it would be difficult to see where the funds needed to alleviate it would come from.


    Would the respected and esteemed delegation of Quintessence of Dust care to elaborate on their position ?


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    We fail to see this option work. It only means more spending, of course maybe for the greater good, this in turn means every WA country will need to step up to the plate with the funds. I can not see this happen as times are rough with the economy, we are voting against this.

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    It seems to us the author would prefer relief aid be administered much the same way the Veterans Reform Act is. We cannot fathom such obscene reasoning.

    The Federal Republic stands against this repeal.

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    This repeal is, as Ms. Benson has put it, "utterly specious". Namely, the assumption that the majority of NGOs refuse to work with the World Assembly is certainly plausible, but probably entirely false. Where is the proof?

    I don't see how a World Assembly committee would be better at providing relief aid than NGOs. The world is massive, and we are but one organization that would be heavily outnumbered by the NGOs we would no longer be coordinating. It's the opinion of myself and my delegation that WAR #5, Coordinating Relief Aid, is more than sufficient and possibly the best option when it comes to providing national and international humanitarian/relief aid. Of course, it could be made better by also working with governments to coordinate government-based humanitarian efforts. But, that's not what is being proposed here, so it's a moot point.

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    On reflection, it is the position of the government of the Emperor of Urgench that this repeal is unecessary.

    We are liable to vote against this repeal, unless it can be shown to us that a better system of relief coordination could be put in place.


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    In keeping with the logic outlined by Ambassador Baca, Zarquon Froods will be voting against this proposal. The likelihood that another one will come in its sted that will prove to be far more damaging to our already realing economy will only strengthen our stance.

    Therefore, we will not be backing down on this.

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    a W.A. emergency coordination council which would provide NGOs with accurate and vital data and reporting on conditions on the ground and where their assistance would best be allocated during any emergency is vital and exactly the kind of thing the w.a. should be able to do.
    this is precisely what i want to happen, but in a more informal way where the WA will work with NGO's to make sure that assistance gets to the right areas without duplications - but where NGO's would remain autonomous from the WA and would fund themeselves rather than being funded by the WA.

    We fail to see this option work. It only means more spending, of course maybe for the greater good, this in turn means every WA country will need to step up to the plate with the funds.
    Because NGO's would be autonomous again they would also go back to funding themselves in the charitable ways as before, rather than being funded by the WA, therefore the cost to the WA, and thus all WA members, would be reduced heavily and only work carried out by the WA (which would only happen when NGO's are not offereing aid) would be funded by the general fund.

    It seems to us the author would prefer relief aid be administered much the same way the Veterans Reform Act is.
    Im sorry i dont understand what you mean, this repeal does not introduce new legislation it only repeals the old one, therefore your vote is on whether to remove the resolution, not on plans for a future proposal.

    Secondly, the possibilities i have noted for a future proposal have been a system of funding exactly the same as the current resolution, but with far less funds needed to be put towards it, therefore you are contradicting yourself.

    The argument of this repeal is utterly specious.
    could you expand upon that?

    Namely, the assumption that the majority of NGOs refuse to work with the World Assembly is certainly plausible, but probably entirely false. Where is the proof?
    Nowhere in my repeal have i written what you have just said, i stated that many NGO's will want to work independently of the WA, nowhere did i state a majority.

    I don't see how a World Assembly committee would be better at providing relief aid than NGOs.
    i completely agree, which is why they do not need co-ordination at international level.

    The likelihood that another one will come in its sted that will prove to be far more damaging to our already realing economy will only strengthen our stance.
    I do not see how a body that will need less funds than the current one will harm your economy, in fact the only thing is can do it help it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pantherai View Post
    I do not see how a body that will need less funds than the current one will harm your economy, in fact the only thing is can do it help it!
    You don't have a replacement drafted, therefore you are under the assumption that if one is made it will adhere to what you have outlined in this repeal. I say unto you that unless you are the one that writes the replacement, if it is decided that one is needed, the NGO could be given more power than already outlined. I would just as soon see this repeal carried out and the CRA removed, but the idea that something more damaging may take its place is enough cause for concern to pursaude me to vote against this.

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    I think that by judging from the comments by fellow ambassadors so far, in defence the repealing of Coordinating Relief Aid would be very bad for humanitarian aid co-ordination, which would put many lives of people affected by disasters at risk. I stand with agreement with my old friends of Omigodtheykilledkenny, Glen-Rhodes, Zarquon Froods and the QoD. I don't believe that all Social Justice acts are bad. I place the blame on yes, the Lame-duck veterans resolution.

    I think the root cause of this is another resolution, the Veterans Reform Act. But if there was to be a better version, may it be drafted it before repealing it them replacing it? May the ambassadors of Pantherai be advised not to jump the gun: we've gone through a lot already and we can't bear to see a classic be repealed.

    For those who want to see the repeal defeated, feel free urge the Delegates who voted for to change their position. Since I am a relatively good writer, it should go along the lines of (but please adapt to your taste):

    Esteemed Delegate:

    Please change reconsider your position in the attempt to repeal Coordinating Relief Aid. This resolution has allowed many lives to be saved because it has provided NGOs with accurate and vital data and reporting on conditions on the ground and where their assistance would best be allocated during any emergency.

    I understand about the recent tax hikes, but the massive depletion of funds is due to new welfare commitments to war criminals, the Veterans Reform Act, and not humanitarian aid.

    There is no conclusion in linking the style of the administration of relief aid to the style of administration of the Veterans Reform Act is.

    On balance, Coordinating Relief Aid is more than sufficient and possibly the best option possible when it comes to providing national and international relief aid. The Veterans Reform Act is a failure and we are working to rid this once and for all.

    Once again, We beg you to please vote against this repeal and focus your attention against the Veterans Reform Act instead. Thank you for your understanding.

    Yours sincerely,
    (Ambassador Name)
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    Oh we see, you are suggesting that the current marginal majority in favour of this repeal is a mistaken vote for the repeal of the veterans reform act, are you honoured Ambassador ?


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