New Age Addition discussion thread - Avians

**Lydias** · 13-10-2009, 17:05

We're considering bringing back Avians to celebrate the first age of WoL on the new code. As a starting point for a discussion here are the proposed mod values for Avians.

+75% Birth Rates
-25% Attack Time
Immunity to Fog
+1 Defense Specialist Strength
+20% Military Losses in Combat
No Specialist Credits from Combat
6/4 Elite - $800

Please discuss constructively in this thread only.

Avenger · 13-10-2009, 17:13

I have nothing against bringing the avian back, it was one of my favorites, however... this worked some years ago, but it's a bit overpowered now.

Bijo · 13-10-2009, 17:17

nice!
good job!!!!

(good thing i saved all the races on my calc)

Malm · 13-10-2009, 17:23

Yey, Avian is back <3 ze birdies

on a more practical note however: Both higher losses and no spec credits seems rather harsh, 1 or the other should be enough imo

Titan TA · 13-10-2009, 17:23

I agree, over powered!

Luc · 13-10-2009, 17:23

-25% attack time is extremely powerful. Immunity to Fog & +1 Defense Specialist Strength already exists elsewhere. I dunno... I loved avian, but I'm not sure it's a good idea to bring them back

Blitz · 13-10-2009, 17:24

My first comment will not be a constructive one :P : can't you make a new race rather than keep bringing back undeads, avians.

Now constructively:
- they seem underpowered to me.. the losses are way too high. If you have a KD with players that are all 25 online at each intra-war wave than you might have a chance to win the war fast until min time, else you will get fat, lose a lot of army, train nothing(no credits, no income bonusses, no science bonuss, nothing)
- you can use them in combo with other races.. but than you will not be able to keep armies in the same hours, but spread them around... wich we all know it's not good.

In conclusion.. numbers might look good, but practicly they will be weak in wars.
P.S. These kind of very fast races also make xloging more important.. so more used.

Titan TA · 13-10-2009, 17:25

-25% attack times, with Warriors -15% and add 20-25% rax!! I will go unemployed ;)

Avenger · 13-10-2009, 17:26

No enhanced def specialist then, so humans can keep their unique ability.
I'd also add that the elf has the 6/4 elite already. Maybe change the avian one to 7/3 and put "no access to stables"

Zauper · 13-10-2009, 17:29

The issue is the dual bonuses that exist -- the 6/4 elite, and the +1 defspec already exist as other bonuses for other races.

Immunity to fog also exists, though duplication of that is not as terrible. I suggest the following:
1) Re-introduce bloodlust (is that possible? If not; just give them a flat +4-5% OME or something) which was +10% ome; +20% losses.
2) Give them both enhanced specs (+1 ospec and +1 dspec); but no access to stables. Make the elite 7/3, as suggested by Avenger.

Duplication of the bonuses is a bit of an issue, though. not the end of the world, and it would take a lot of effort to re-do all the bonuses. Hmm.

Luc · 13-10-2009, 17:38

20% losses isn't the end of the world, you just run more hospitals. avian warriors in a skd capable of banking would be scary

DHaran · 13-10-2009, 17:43

-25% attack time is a reason NOT to run warrior.

Luc · 13-10-2009, 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHaran

-25% attack time is a reason NOT to run warrior.

Why? An avian warrior gets around 8 hour attack times WITHOUT rax in war. Add some rax, a bank to help ppl keep their army up & active players and you're gonna pwn

Coruscale · 13-10-2009, 17:50

Could just simply slide the casualty losses up to offset the double bonuses. Purpose would be to place them under the category of being a defaulted specialized class.

What I mean by that is force them into a position to be an attacker that has limited long-term capabilities or require an economical build incorporation that disables their ability to fully utilize all bonuses. This could generally balance the race out, given other races are able to utilize everything they've got to it's general full effect, while Avian's would need to gauge what they use.

Coruscale · 13-10-2009, 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luc

Why? An avian warrior gets around 8 hour attack times WITHOUT rax in war. Add some rax, a bank to help ppl keep their army up & active players and you're gonna pwn

Values are multiplicative, not additive - so the effects of barracks and Warrior are diminishing in return.

13-10-2009, 17:05	#1
Lydias Community Director Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,306	New Age Addition discussion thread - Avians ADVERTISEMENT: We're considering bringing back Avians to celebrate the first age of WoL on the new code. As a starting point for a discussion here are the proposed mod values for Avians. +75% Birth Rates -25% Attack Time Immunity to Fog +1 Defense Specialist Strength +20% Military Losses in Combat No Specialist Credits from Combat 6/4 Elite - $800 Please discuss constructively in this thread only.

13-10-2009, 17:17	#3
Bijo Forum Addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,026	nice! good job!!!! (good thing i saved all the races on my calc) __________________ http://thedragonportal.net http://utimes.info

13-10-2009, 17:23	#5
Titan TA Post Fiend Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Who gives a rats a$$ Posts: 182	I agree, over powered! __________________ "Mike Hawk Owns U"

13-10-2009, 17:25	#8
Titan TA Post Fiend Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Who gives a rats a$$ Posts: 182	-25% attack times, with Warriors -15% and add 20-25% rax!! I will go unemployed ;) __________________ "Mike Hawk Owns U"

13-10-2009, 17:50	#14
Coruscale Post Fiend Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 168	Could just simply slide the casualty losses up to offset the double bonuses. Purpose would be to place them under the category of being a defaulted specialized class. What I mean by that is force them into a position to be an attacker that has limited long-term capabilities or require an economical build incorporation that disables their ability to fully utilize all bonuses. This could generally balance the race out, given other races are able to utilize everything they've got to it's general full effect, while Avian's would need to gauge what they use. __________________ SYNERGY #synergy >> Finn >> Formerly in Copy Cats, Lothlorien, and Pyromaniacs Is Wizzy secretly a gay fish? * &Wizard likes fishsticks <&Wizard> I love putting fishsticks in my mouth

13-10-2009, 17:13	#2
Avenger Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Romania Posts: 580	I have nothing against bringing the avian back, it was one of my favorites, however... this worked some years ago, but it's a bit overpowered now.

13-10-2009, 17:23	#4
Malm Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 19	Yey, Avian is back <3 ze birdies on a more practical note however: Both higher losses and no spec credits seems rather harsh, 1 or the other should be enough imo

13-10-2009, 17:23	#6
Luc Forum Addict Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,048	-25% attack time is extremely powerful. Immunity to Fog & +1 Defense Specialist Strength already exists elsewhere. I dunno... I loved avian, but I'm not sure it's a good idea to bring them back

13-10-2009, 17:24	#7
Blitz Post Fiend Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 206	My first comment will not be a constructive one :P : can't you make a new race rather than keep bringing back undeads, avians. Now constructively: - they seem underpowered to me.. the losses are way too high. If you have a KD with players that are all 25 online at each intra-war wave than you might have a chance to win the war fast until min time, else you will get fat, lose a lot of army, train nothing(no credits, no income bonusses, no science bonuss, nothing) - you can use them in combo with other races.. but than you will not be able to keep armies in the same hours, but spread them around... wich we all know it's not good. In conclusion.. numbers might look good, but practicly they will be weak in wars. P.S. These kind of very fast races also make xloging more important.. so more used.

13-10-2009, 17:26	#9
Avenger Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Romania Posts: 580	No enhanced def specialist then, so humans can keep their unique ability. I'd also add that the elf has the 6/4 elite already. Maybe change the avian one to 7/3 and put "no access to stables"

13-10-2009, 17:29	#10
Zauper Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 477	The issue is the dual bonuses that exist -- the 6/4 elite, and the +1 defspec already exist as other bonuses for other races. Immunity to fog also exists, though duplication of that is not as terrible. I suggest the following: 1) Re-introduce bloodlust (is that possible? If not; just give them a flat +4-5% OME or something) which was +10% ome; +20% losses. 2) Give them both enhanced specs (+1 ospec and +1 dspec); but no access to stables. Make the elite 7/3, as suggested by Avenger. Duplication of the bonuses is a bit of an issue, though. not the end of the world, and it would take a lot of effort to re-do all the bonuses. Hmm.

13-10-2009, 17:38	#11
Luc Forum Addict Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,048	20% losses isn't the end of the world, you just run more hospitals. avian warriors in a skd capable of banking would be scary

13-10-2009, 17:43	#12
DHaran Sir Postalot Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 3,338	-25% attack time is a reason NOT to run warrior.

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