Prostitution

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I think that if more people would think of these women as someone who could be their sister, or their mother, or their wife, maybe we'd get somewhere. There has to be a human face on them. They HAVE names, and families, and aspirations. I'm not saying think of your sister, mother, etc. as if she could be a whore, although I know some men do, but to think of the prostitutes as women every bit as human as the ones you care about.

They're worth giving a chance to be productive members of society, and ones who can do something besides exploit that goldmine they're sitting on.

Oh, and you can't consent to rape. By definition, rape is always done without it. To put it crudely, you can't rape the willing.

Most women who get rapped don't report it anyways, prosititute or not. I think it is more important to prevent it than to punish the person who did it. It's too late, it's all ready happened.
Even if she said she would have sex with him, and he starts beating her, and she tries to leave, but then he has sex with her anyways, is that not rape?
Prostitution is too dangerous. They are more likely to get rapped or murdered. Even if it was leagle, nobody would admit to doing it, so it would still have the same dangers.

Originally Posted by 3P

Most women who get rapped don't report it anyways, prosititute or not. I think it is more important to prevent it than to punish the person who did it. It's too late, it's all ready happened.
Even if she said she would have sex with him, and he starts beating her, and she tries to leave, but then he has sex with her anyways, is that not rape?
Prostitution is too dangerous. They are more likely to get rapped or murdered. Even if it was leagle, nobody would admit to doing it, so it would still have the same dangers.

I disagree that noone would admit to it. Especially if there was confidentiality when they went for check-ups etc.

As to prevention at all costs, are you going to ban women from walking around at night on their own, in case someone jumps out of a dark alleyway and grabs them?

Think prostitution should be legal for tax reasons.Then no need to hammer the motorists

[Bottle]

Originally Posted by Sheilanagig

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notoriou...1.html?sect=11

I think that if more people would think of these women as someone who could be their sister, or their mother, or their wife, maybe we'd get somewhere. There has to be a human face on them. They HAVE names, and families, and aspirations. I'm not saying think of your sister, mother, etc. as if she could be a whore, although I know some men do, but to think of the prostitutes as women every bit as human as the ones you care about.

They're worth giving a chance to be productive members of society, and ones who can do something besides exploit that goldmine they're sitting on.

the problem i have is the implication that exchanging sex for money is not a valid trade. yes, i realize that prostitutes are somebody's daughter, sister, mother, etc, and i think the greatest wrong our society does is in telling them what they do is wrong. rather than ensuring they have healthy work environments and treating them with the respect due to any unskilled laborer, we tell them they are dirty and wrong and need to be helped to do something better. true, their situation needs improving, but the practice of prostition itself is not the problem. a cleaner and safer industry, legalized and regulated, makes it a perfectly acceptable career choice.

just look at the legal brothels in Nevada; women are tested twice a week for STDs, they make more money as "whores" than they would as secretaries, they have bouncers and security personel to make sure they aren't abused by clients, and they retain the right to refuse service to anybody.

i'm not saying it's the profession i would choose, but then i also wouldn't choose to be a garbageman. i would wish for greater things for my kids (were i to have any), but i certainly wouldn't be ashamed if they chose to be a sanitation worker...so why would i be ashamed of my kid for being a prostitute? the only reason i would currently oppose such a choice would be the conditions that exist because of prostitution's criminal status, and if those were fixed then i would have no objection.

i beleive prostitution should be legal but controlled stricktly and taxed...a "john" should not be liable of a baby but should be required to use a condom..anyone caught knowingly spreading desease should be charged with manslaughter regardless..STD tests should be mandantory. Pimping should be Illegal..A company should be able to charge a monthly fee to a prostitute to be a part of its call girl service but not a %

THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU CAN NOT STOP IT!!!! Regardless of how much money you spend on enforcing it you will never stop it...Why do you thing prohibition failed?

PS The Kennedy family made much of its fortune by bootlegging alcohol.

Originally Posted by Sheilanagig

As for sex being such a strong urge in men, I think that's a socialized concept, something they're brought up with, rather than something they are born with. Not that I don't think they have the urge, but because I think that they aren't raised to be aware of the control they're capable of. I think a better and more comprehensive sex ed program would help.

Yeah that's why there's so many more women rapists than men. Men are not taught to go around raping women, it's instinctual and no amount of education is going to stop the truly driven, better to allow them a legal outlet.

Originally Posted by Sheilanagig

Prostitution is sordid because society isn't willing to look at it, so there's a stigma. Because it's illegal, much like drugs, there are a lot of people who profit from it, and I'm not talking about the prostitutes. There's a lot of mob involvement and freelance pimps who coerce girls into it, and control them and take their earnings. They always have to watch their backs so that some psycho doesn't rob them or rape them or kill them, or give them an STD or get them pregnant, because the slob doesn't want to wear a rubber. You see, I think the johns exploit them as much as the pimps do. They're treated as a commodity, a product. It's one of the most exploited professions there is. A lot of them are introduced to a drug habit too, to make them easier to control.

All the more reason to legalize it and crack down on the all of the issues you mention above.

Originally Posted by Sheilanagig

Also, I'd like to know what nations you're saying have gone to war or fallen over a woman and a man's sex drive.

Ever heard of Cleopatra?
Helen of Troy?
About 5 Caesars killed by manipulative women and their lovers?
Not directly related to the fall of a nation but how about the countless affairs by the likes of JFK, Clinton, LBJ and other leaders. Yes these were uneducated individuals who were never told they needed to control their sex drive.

You obviously don't understand male sex drive and seem to think it can just be 'taught out of them'. Different males have different sex drives, the ones you are refering to are the 'fine upstanding husbands who have never cheated/been caught' and you account this all to having been 'taught'.

So you're blaming Cleopatra and Helen now for something they didn't do? It was Marc Antony and Paris who started any wars.

I'm not saying you can teach men anything. I think you can teach boys respect, though. As for a legal outlet, there is one. There are all kinds of women who don't charge for it, which should appeal to any man.

I just think that a lot of men make excuses to see prostitutes, and not many of them are valid, because they're not honest. Basically it's because they're kinky, and can't do something with their wife/girlfriend, who isn't aware that they like to be humiliated and pissed on by a woman with a whip, or they are hideous, or think they are, or they're not imbued with the social skills to convince any sensible woman to have sex with them...or they just like the businesslike, no strings attached sex.

I think men are fully capable of controlling their sex drive, but some of them have no inclination to do so. That would mean going without, or practicing self-discipline, or even some introspection.

I know that because of this lack of inclination, men are so whipped that they'll even pay for it. It's why they think women have no sex drive, or less of one. We're just better at controlling it, because it's used as a tool. Besides, it's often the case that we don't feel much like putting out for an idiot who can't wipe his arse correctly. We know he can't because we're usually the ones who wash the shorts.

Selling is legal. F*cking is legal. Why isn't selling f*cking legal? Why is it illegal to sell what is perfectly legal to give away?

I've heard arguments for and against it, but that says it all.



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Sheilanagig,

You sound like you are against prostitution because you feel threatened by it. Maybe you feel your man may stray because it's available. All of your arguments above have nothing to do with not legalizing prostitution and more to do with your opposition to someone having kinky turn-ons.

I don't see how you can be against protecting a workers rights when you seem to be a "holier than thou" moralist and that noone should have different things that appeal to them sexually.

Prostitution is not going away, it has been with us since day one and will be with us until we are extinct. So, we can allow it to remain in the state it is or legalize it, restrict it and crack down on the cheap street walkers in favor of discreet, controlled and taxed locations that are not offensive and contributing to crime and drug use.

Originally Posted by Suicidal Librarians

Anyway, speaking of prostitution I think it should be illegal. There is no way, I repeat, NO WAY that regulations and STD testing would work. Especially in huge cities, you aren't going to be able to hunt down every hooker and get them tested. Sorry, it just wouldn't happen.

It works just fine in Las Vegas, which I would say is a pretty big city. Testing also works in the porn industry, where no one who has tested positive for an STD can be in a movie, and when one does test positive, anyone who has been in a movie with them recently is voluntarily "quarantined." Besides, no one is saying *all* prostitutes would be tested, just most of them, which is better than we have it now. Most people willing to pay for sex would rather go to a prostitute that has his/her certificate of testing than one who doesn't. You're going to get less spread of disease (not to mention less tax evasion) if you legalize it.

well, since according to Bottle and other well thought out libs we have here maybe we should legalize slavery again? after all, who has the right to tell somebody that they can't have a slave?

there are thousands of better ways for women or men to make money other then through prostitution that ARE ethical, is safe and is not demeaning to the the mind.

I don't know for sure, but I would imagine if you asked prostitutes themselves, MOST would say they are in that situation because they were either: runaways, drug addicts, homeless, depressed or some other mental condition, or in some financial bind and had a lack of EDucation or help to find another way to solve their problem.

the thing most people forget is that people who become involved in ANY illegal trade, whether it be drug dealer, prostitute, w/e, is normally because they are uneducated in how to survive in their particular economy.

but thats just my opinion

Originally Posted by Culebra

well, since according to Bottle and other well thought out libs we have here maybe we should legalize slavery again? after all, who has the right to tell somebody that they can't have a slave?

Simple, painfully obvious difference, which I really should not have to point out - slavery is ownership of a human being, which is a clear violation of the slave's right to sovereignty over his/her body. Legalising prostitution is respecting that right, because the government is allowing people to do what they like with their bodies.

Originally Posted by _Myopia_

Simple, painfully obvious difference, which I really should not have to point out - slavery is ownership of a human being, which is a clear violation of the slave's right to sovereignty over his/her body. Legalising prostitution is respecting that right, because the government is allowing people to do what they like with their bodies.

i forget how sarcasm is not obvious on here, even with a


sorry bout that. but since we are on the subject, how about legalizing suicide? or self torture. or giving yourself a disease on purpose? its your body right?

and im sure some of you think that SHOULD be legal. But let me ask you this. when a person DOES do one of those things AND they don't have medical ins. or someone who has to pay the bills, who pays then? WE DO!!! Our tax dollars would have to foot the bill wouldn't they.

have any of you personally talked to a prostitute? have you ever asked about how wonderfull of a life they must live? and the other reason i brought up slavery is the fact is folks, MOST of those who are on the street ARE slaves. Slaves to their fears, slaves to their pimps, slaves to the fear of change, fear of standing up on their own two feet and being independent. MOST of them who are in prostitution are there because they are f-d up. if you think its so glamorous and an ok option for someone to live their life like that, go spend some time with them...

It wouldn't be so bad if it was legal. And no matter how bad it is, of course we should try and help those who want help but those who actually do want to do it should be allowed. Even if nobody wantedf to do it it should be allowed purely for the principle.