Ejected from the UN? Here's why

[[violet]]

The United Nations is getting much tougher on people who break the "one player, one UN member nation" rule. If you have been ejected from the UN, warned, or deleted, this explains why.

Q: I didn't know it was against the rules to have multiple UN member nations.
A: It is mentioned in the FAQ (see: "United Nations"). Also, when you receive your invitation e-mail from the UN, it clearly spells out the penalties for breaching this rule. Not paying attention to this is not an excuse.

Q: I wasn't cheating! I only have one UN member nation. Your game got it wrong.
A: This is possible, but unlikely. The game uses four different methods to detect if the same person is operating multiple UN members. These methods include IP address tracking and login pattern detection. If your nation was deleted, the game gathered very strong evidence that it was being operated from the same location as other UN members on multiple occasions.

Q: My friends operate those other UN member nations. We all share the same computer.
A: I'm sorry if that's the case. There is no way for the game to tell how many people are on the other end of a computer. For this reason, breaches of UN rules involving only two members are usually punished with expulsion, not deletion.

However, please note this important point: we cannot take your word on how many people are really behind your computer. This is not because you are untrustworthy, it's simply that otherwise there is no way to enforce the UN rules.

Q: But that's not fair!
A: True, and again, I'm sorry if you and your friends have been punished unjustly. However, this is the closest we can come to fair. If we accepted people's explanations that they were using a public computer with their friends, we would have to let people create as many UN nations as they like. This would destroy the whole point of the UN.

The line has to be drawn somewhere, and thus, fair or not, the rule must stand.

[Dragons Bay]

Is there any way that this can be improved? Or a solution?

[[violet]]

Well, I could require you to send me your credit card details to become a UN member.

If you've received a warning and don't have multiple UN member nations, just sit tight. If you get expelled or deleted, there will be an appeal process where I can investigate your situation in more detail and see if there was a mistake.

By "mistake," I mean something like: your nation was operated from the same location as another UN member on only one or two occasions, and never since. Not "my friends come around and use my computer for those nations," as per the above.

[Dragons Bay]

I don't have a credit card.

Uh. All the other nation's leaders are in the same school as me. We have the same breaktimes and therefore use the same network of computers in the school library. :oops: We love this game too much....

this type of id is not acceptable because not everyone in the world has a cc .

there should be a way to identify a user as one individual. like, say social security number. everyone has that.

Originally Posted by [violet

]Q: I wasn't cheating! I only have one UN member nation. Your game got it wrong.
A: This is possible, but unlikely. The game uses four different methods to detect if the same person is operating multiple UN members. These methods include IP address tracking and login pattern detection. If your nation was deleted, the game gathered very strong evidence that it was being operated from the same location as other UN members on multiple occasions.

What if you get two UN emails? I accidently signed-up two nations... but only one became an actual UN Member.

[[violet]]

Originally Posted by Marathon

What if you get two UN emails? I accidently signed-up two nations... but only one became an actual UN Member.

A nation isn't accepted into the UN unless it actually clicks the link provided in the UN e-mail -- so if you received e-mail for another nation but never followed the link, it's not in the UN.

If you're unsure about a nation's UN status, you can log it in and visit the United Nations page.

Originally Posted by Gilligans Paradise

this type of id is not acceptable because not everyone in the world has a cc .

there should be a way to identify a user as one individual. like, say social security number. everyone has that.

Heh, my comment that I could verify identities by credit card was a joke. There isn't going to be any requirement for credit cards, social security numbers, or anything else to join the UN.

Icom and Kitsylvania were detected to each be linked to one other UN member (Assassin Domination), on one occasion each. Normally this wouldn't be enough to trigger a warning, but because Assassin Domination appears to be a severe UN cheat (Elite Assassins, Amateur Assassins, Divine Assassins, Assassin Queens, many more), you got highlighted. I'm going to refine the cheatscan software to make sure people in your case don't get caught.

Efficiency seems to have been logged in along with about a dozen other UN members (including Amerigo, Yellow Submarines, Blacklake, the New Russia, and Scolopendra) within a very short space of time on April 13, but from all different IP addresses. Not sure what's going on there; I need to investigate further.

Berserker was also linked to Scolopendra, as well as Karmabaijan, but only a couple of times and not for more than two weeks. Need to investigate this too.

As stated earlier, don't panic if you haven't broken the rules: if you get ejected or deleted, I can investigate and reinstate you.

If you have broken the rules, though, or you regularly share a computer with other NationStates players, resign your multis from the UN or risk losing them all.

[Frisbeeteria]

to Ejected from the UN? [Commentary Split].

Since the vast majority of comments related to individual cases that should have been brought up in the Moderation Forum anyway, iLock this Sticky. Use Moderation for specific complaints, please.

[Frisbeeteria]

Since this seems to be coming up a lot once again, thread has been bumped and restickied. Note that we now have more than the four methods of checking for multis, of which a shared IP address is only one minor component.

Originally Posted by [violet]

However, please note this important point: we cannot take your word on how many people are really behind your computer. This is not because you are untrustworthy, it's simply that otherwise there is no way to enforce the UN rules.

With this important rule reiterated, let us once again stress that more than one UN nation logging on from a single computer WILL be seen as multiing. As [violet] says, "The line has to be drawn somewhere, and thus, fair or not, the rule must stand."

Originally Posted by Dragons Bay

Is there any way that this can be improved?

Why not just attach member nations' voting rights to a single IP address that they can specify and change with a weeks notice? That way you wont delete all of the countries in my region for living under one roof with over 10 computers, and you'll deter people from being able to capitalize on the voting system at least as much as you punish people for it now.

edit: honestly, I wouldn't do nationstates if I couldn't do it with my roommates, and there are probably lots of other people like me, so this is worth making the change, I think, rather than making a bunch of people unhappy with an inherently inaccurate investigative method. No insult intended

[GMC Military Arms]

Originally Posted by Things was taken

Why not just attach member nations' voting rights to a single IP address that they can specify and change with a weeks notice?

Because, for one thing, that would mean there would be about 20 votes for the whole of AOL and one single user could potentially use all of them.

Originally Posted by Things was taken

rather than making a bunch of people unhappy with an inherently inaccurate investigative method. No insult intended

It's not inherently inaccurate, it is in fact very accurate indeed. Multiple people are not allowed to sign up to the UN from the same computer. The method accurately shows when multiple people have signed up to the UN with the same computer.